How to Master Your Money & Set Yourself Free with Amanda Steinberg

How to Master Your Money & Set Yourself Free with Amanda Steinberg

Hey. It’s Marie Forleo and you are watching MarieTV,
the place to be to create a business and life you love. You know, in these uncertain times, financial
security can feel a bit elusive. If you wanna get a better grip on your money
life, my guest today is here to help. Amanda Steinberg launched DailyWorth to bring
a fresh voice and an outsider’s perspective to personal finance. Today, DailyWorth’s newsletter reaches more
than one million subscribers. Oprah selected her for the exclusive SuperSoul
100, and Forbes named her one of 21 New American Money Masters. Amanda has also appeared on GMA, Today, CNN,
and MSNBC. She’s the author of Worth It, Your Life, Your
Money, Your Terms. Amanda, thank you so much for making time
to come on the show today. Oh, Marie, I’ve been so looking forward to
this. You know, I love talking about money. You love talking about money. This is like one of my favorite topics. So, before we get into it, for everybody watching,
even though Amanda’s business generally is geared towards women, every strategy that
we’re gonna talk about today, it doesn’t matter if you’re a man or you’re a woman, or your
gender identity. This is money strategies for humans. Right? Humans. Humans. The other thing I wanna say is that everyone
in our audience, you know, it, they really run the gamut. We have folks, I’m sure, who consider themselves
very wealthy, and I know for a fact, because I get the emails, some of our folks are homeless
right now, or they’re in a shelter right now. So, every layer of the economic strata is
covered, and we are gonna do our best to give advice and ideas that will help you no matter
where you’re at. Yeah? Absolutely. Okay. So, for everyone who is watching, and to set
the stage for us, I wanna start off with some stats so that anyone listening right now,
who may feel that they’ve neglected their financial life, does not feel shame or guilt
about it. Ready? Ready. Okay. Here’s what I found in my research. Two thirds of Americans would struggle to
find $1,000 for an emergency fund. In a 2017 report, it was found that half of
American households currently live paycheck to paycheck. Anyone relate to this? Not surprisingly, 49% of Americans are concerned,
anxious or fearful about their current financial wellbeing. And obviously we have folks who watch from
all over around the world. I know you have subscribers from all over
around the world. I don’t think this is just an American thing. Definitely not. So, um, let’s get into it. Why are you so passionate about money? What’s your money story? My money story is that I always wanted to
be wealthy. I was raised by a single mom who raised me
from a little kid saying, “You will never depend on a man. Money will be something that comes easily
and naturally to you.” So, I started working really young. I became a computer programmer, which was
really really lucrative, but, and I thought I was doing everything right. At a young age, I bought the house, owned
a software company, got married, had babies, had, bought stocks, and then it all imploded. And I was like, “Huh, how is it that I’ve
been doing everything right, and I actually landed $100,000 in debt,” not because I was
overspending, but because I took on so much risk that I didn’t understand, that my assets
became liabilities. And so, I became really interested in the
subject because I realized that even when you try and do everything right, that sometimes
it can still go wrong. So, how is it that you make money work for
you, no matter what, even if you’re not good at budgeting, even if you don’t think of yourself
as someone who’s highly disciplined? How do you make money work for you? You know, you and I have a similar story in
that regard. You know, my parents got divorced when I was
pretty young. And, my mom had taken me and she shook me
and she said, “Don’t ever make the same mistakes I made.” It’s exactly what my mom, yeah. Yeah. Precisely. And “you have to have your own money.” And it was such an emotional event, so young
in my life, that I am 100% certain that it has shaped who I am and who I continue to
be in the world in a really great way. So, I’m appreciative that you shared that
story. And just to be clear for everyone watching,
it was like you had graduated. You had gotten a great job. You had a big house. Right? You had marriage. You had the kids. And, but $100,000 in debt, like, that’s, that’s
big. I was in debt. It wasn’t as much as you are, but it’s a wake-up
call. So, I’m curious. When you found yourself in that position of
going, “Holy sh- This is not working from a financial perspective, and, and other perspectives
as well,” what turned it around for you? Well, what turned it around for me was I got
invited to a money seminar by two women I had known for a while. And I was like, “Oh yeah, I definitely gotta
do this.” I remember I was like seven months pregnant
and I got on the train from Philadelphia where I lived to New York City, um, waddled onto
the train, this really hot day and went and sat in this seminar and realized that I’d
been telling myself a story that I’m great at earning, but I’m also a spender. But because I’m great at earning, that eventually
I will have more money than I spend, which really doesn’t make a lot of logical sense,
but it had been driving my whole life. And I was so sure that I was a spender, not
a saver, that I never even questioned the idea that maybe that wasn’t true. So it was during this seminar, that I decided
to start calling myself a saver, and realized how that was actually gonna change everything,
no matter what the financial reality was of my life. Until I changed that, nothing was gonna have
a prayer. So, did you have any financial understanding
at that point? Like, what was your level of education when
it comes around personal finance? Like, were you balancing your checkbook? Were you making any investments for your future? Just curious. I had read lots of books about personal finance. I had bought a few stocks and I thought I
knew about money, but really all I knew was earning money. I actually didn’t know anything about managing
money and I had tried to budget many times, and failed in doing so. So I would say it was pretty pretty low aptitude
in terms of knowing anything about money. I find, whenever I talk about this topic,
whenever it comes up on this show, or I love talking about money with friends, or with
people that I know, and I’m probably one of the unique cases. And a lot of my friends come to me, ’cause
they know it’s a safe place, like, I’m not gonna judge them and I always love to talk
about these things but when I talk about it publicly, and I look at the comments, a lot
of people are so afraid. There’s so much fear. Like, they don’t wanna even look at it. And I’m certain that there are people watching
or listening on the podcast right now that might find themselves in that same position
where there is so much fear around it. They don’t know what to do first. What would you suggest for someone who’s in
that position? Well, first of all, it’s very normal to feel
really intimidated by money because a lot of us were raised by parents who also didn’t
understand money. And you can see the implications of that in
your life, and perhaps you don’t want to repeat that. So I think that the first thing that is important
for you to do is – I treat money like a video game. When I was a kid, I played lots and lots of
video games, and the reason why this was useful was I would play a game and either I would
win, or I would lose, but regardless, I could always hit that reset button and start over. And that’s the thing with money. Sometimes you’re going to say, “I’m gonna
save $200 or I’m gonna go into the supermarket and I’m only gonna buy what’s on my list.” And, sometimes you’re successful in whatever
that is that you’re trying to do, and sometimes you fail. Sometimes that’s because you didn’t do what
you said you were gonna do. And sometimes that’s because life circumstances
get in the way. What happens after that for, if you’re intimidated
by money, is you’re gonna start to make that mean something about you. “I’m bad with money. Money is evil. I’m out of control,” all those stories that
we have around money. If you can choose to look at it like a video
game, then you can say, “You know what, I’m gonna hit the reset button and I’m gonna try
again because I’m not gonna make my experience with money mean something about who I am as
a person.” I love that. So, it’s really about reframing it. It sounds like, correct me if I’m wrong, taking
some of the emotion out of it, and disconnecting it from your own self worth. Like our self worth isn’t our net worth. And if you’ve made mistakes around money before,
or if you’re terrified of it, that there’s always an opportunity to start fresh. There is always an opportunity to start fresh. I mean, I have seen people go massively into
debt, and get out of it, and then go massively into debt again, and then get out of it again. I mean, there is, uh, there is extraordinary
… I know victims of Madoff. I know multiple victims of Madoff, and two
of them who’ve recovered unbelievably from zero. That’s so great to hear. I know. Jeez. Others who haven’t. But you know, it’s yeah. That, that’s the – can there be a playfulness
to the extent where we treat it as something that isn’t, you know, life or death. Yeah. Which is hard, I think, ’cause a lot of people
are living on that financial edge, and I have certainly been there in my life where I was
in debt, was opening that checkbook. It was terrifying, didn’t know how I’d make
it there. So, I think even if, for anyone listening,
saying like, “Oh, it’s easy for you guys to say that,” take it from Amanda and myself. It’s like we’re encouraging you to give yourself
the opportunity to maybe perhaps think about it in another way. Right? Just to kind of take the emotions out of it,
so that you can give yourself a chance to look at it fresh, to learn, and to grow from
it. So, for someone who’s like, “Okay, I’m ready.” Right? Even though it’s a little scary, even though
“I don’t know what I’m doing,” what is my first concrete step to take, if I want
to get a better grip on my financial life? So, the first concrete step to get a better
grip on your financial life is about understanding your net worth. Now, if you’re anything like who I was in
the past, or like most people I meet, you wake up in the morning and you say, “If I
earn more, I will have more.” Unfortunately that actually puts you on a
hamster wheel of never-ending chasing after earnings, and it doesn’t necessarily mean
you have more. It actually means you might have less, for
various reasons. So, the first concrete step that you wanna
take is calculating your net worth. And how do we do that? So, how you do that is you figure out how
much you own. When I say how much you own, I specifically
mean what’s in your savings account. Do you own a house? What’s its value? Do you own any retirement funds. And anything else that has a value in the
market. Or even their checking account, right? Even their checking account, yes. Cash is a part of your assets. Then, it’s how much you owe, what’s your credit
card balance, your student loans, your mortgages, and any, and what you owe your mom and you
sister. And then you subtract what you owe from what
you own. And that leaves you with a single number and
that single number is super super important, and can be a north star for how you make all
your financial decisions. So, sometimes you’re gonna have a zero net
worth, or a negative net worth. Or you might have positive net worth. There’s a whole range. I mean, there are people I know who make millions
of dollars but still have negative net worth. The reason why net worth, yeah. I wanna pause you there ’cause I think that’s
really important for people to digest, because I know, and I can, I have developed the sixth
sense of hearing my audience in my mind as I’m talking and as interviews are happening. I think a lot of people would perhaps be surprised
to hear that, and thinking that if they are under-earning right now, if they are not employed
right now, they may look at others who are employed or perhaps very high earners, and
imagine that they’re better with their money. And it’s not necessarily the truth. So, that point, you could be earning millions
per year and you know people that are- Absolutely. … and that have a far negative, or their
net worth is in the negative. Yep. Yeah. I think it’s just, I just want to highlight
that. Keep telling us why it’s important to know
that number. Yeah. It’s important because, you know, we don’t
wanna work until we die. That would, that’s a nice goal. And the way that you don’t have to work forever,
or don’t have to work as hard forever, is by building assets. Because assets investments, whether that’s
owning a home, or owning retirement accounts, or other types of assets, that is how you
can ultimately produce income in the future, without having to work for it. Yeah. It’s kind of having those dollar bills do
the work for you. You’ve earned them, and now they get to earn
you more. Right. But if you still have as much debt as you
do have assets, those assets are already accounted for, because you owe them to the debt. That’s why net worth is important because
you wanna really have more assets than you do debt eventually. Yes. Okay. So, let’s say somebody watching right now,
they’re like, “Okay, Amanda, Marie, I get it. I understand my net worth.” They might know that number. Perhaps it’s positive. It might be in the negative and they’re in
debt, which I think a lot of folks are. When it comes to turning your money life around,
from your point of view, what’s more important to focus on, if they are in that position
where they’re in the negative? Is it paying down the debt first, or is it
starting to save, or is it a combination of both? It is absolutely about starting to save. Starting to save is the most important thing. We think of debt as like a disease that we
have to get rid of. That’s how it’s treated. And, and I know before I really learned about
money management, every single time money would hit my bank account, I would try and
throw it at that debt as quickly as possible. I did that too. So, it was like, I have to get rid of it. Yeah. But the problem with that is that you’re then
just exposed to more debt. So, it just becomes a perpetuating cycle that
you never get out of. And how are they exposed to more debt? Because you don’t have any cash for those
curveballs and those unexpected things that come up. Which we’re gonna talk about in a few minutes,
people. So, I just wanted to make that clear. If someone’s like, “Wait a minute, how am
I exposed? I just wanna get rid of this thing as quickly
as possible.” That, that’s where I was. That’s, that’s, you know, what a lot of the
media tells us to do, is to get rid of debt. And debt is like this shameful thing, even
though most people have it. Yeah. And not all debt is bad debt. Like, I, you know, I’m paying 2.7% for my
car loan right now. That’s like incredible. That’s practically free money, that frees
up cash flow over time. So, you know, once you start to learn the
intricacies of debt and how to optimize it, that, again, it’s like a game. You know, you’re just trying to figure out
how you get more gold coins. Yeah. So it’s absolutely about saving at least one
month, and, and that, that statistic you brought up about, you know, half of this country doesn’t
have $1,000 in their bank account … For a rainy day, or for some emergency. Yeah, for some curveball. That, you know, it’s interesting. In DailyWorth 70% of our subscribers have
a 401(k) but barely no emergency fund. So, the problem there is, yes, you’re, you’re
investing for your retirement, but you’re probably also going into debt at the same
time, so your net worth is going down. That’s not actually helping your future security
unless you also have that cushion. I think that’s such a huge point, because
there’s definitely folks listening right now who are, they’re funding their 401(k)s but
if they don’t have that cushion fund, which we’ll talk about in a few minutes more of
why that’s important, to even imagine that, “Wow, I’m investing for my future and my net
worth is still going down.” I think that’s a big wake-up call. Yeah. It absolutely is. So, let’s talk now, because a lot of folks,
so we have people watching MarieTV, where they might have just started a business. Right? Or, they’re a freelancer, or they’re just
in a position in life where their income is not predictable right now. If someone’s saying, “Okay, this all sounds
great, you know. I would love to save. I would love to start investing for my future,
but how do I do this if I don’t have a steady paycheck that I can depend on?” Ugh, it’s so exhausting when you don’t have
a steady paycheck. And it is impossible to plan when you don’t
have a steady paycheck because you can have the best of intentions but if the money isn’t
there- It’s not there. … what are you gonna do? Yeah. So, what’s crucial, even if you’re a freelancer,
even if you’re just getting started, that you create a separate checking account for
your income which, if you’re self-employed, is actually revenue, not income. And then work towards creating a consistent
draw from that business checking account into your personal checking account. And ideally being able to leave some in your
checking account of your business, so that on the months when you have less revenue,
that you’re able to still give yourself that consistency. And the second thing is, if you’re going on
for like years and years of not having enough coming into your business, to be able to do
this consistent draw, you gotta get a bridge job. You gotta get a 50% job. I’ve always done it. And it’s like, it’s not always a job that
I love. Oftentimes it’s better when it’s a job that’s
like kind of mundane. Yeah. But, you need that consistency. Otherwise, it is gonna be impossible. I wanna highlight that for a minute too, ’cause
we’ve talked about bridge jobs many many times on this show. And, if someone’s listening or watching for
the first time, it was the first seven years of my business that I had multiple jobs. You know, bartending, waiting tables, being
a personal assistant – you could consider fitness in a certain degree, you know, there
was steady income coming in from that. But it was the best thing ever for me. I think there are some humans out there, and
I want them to know if they’re listening. You know, some people have to kind of burn
the bridge, and have no income coming in, because that’s just how they get lit up, and
that motivates them to bring in that revenue. But there are many of us that aren’t wired
like that. And I happen to be one of them, where as long
as I have some consistent income coming in from a bridge job, or a side job, that’s what
allowed my creativity to flourish. That’s what allowed me to have the peace of
mind and the settlement of stress to be able to be really smart about growing that business. Slowly, grant you, but it’s what made everything
work. So, I love that you say that. You know, it doesn’t mean that you’re a failure,
you know. If you’ve been trying to work on your business
for a while, and the revenue just isn’t there yet, getting a bridge job, or a 50% job or
whatever you call it, to be able to take care of yourself financially, man, that’s a win. That makes you strong, not weak. Yeah. Absolutely. And it’s just like, you can sleep at night
and, you know, maybe even get a job in a related industry to your, to your personal venture,
that’s going to bring you clients and leads that way too. I mean, there’s all sorts of ways to make
having that 50% job work for you on many levels. Yeah. And then a third thing that you mentioned
was reducing expenses dramatically, which I think is smart. You know, I grew up in a family where my mom,
she’s amazing. But she knows how to, and I say this often,
stretch a dollar bill around the block like five times. Yeah. So, frugality is in my nature. But tell me about your experience with reducing
expenses dramatically, or anyone in your community who’s really done a good job at that. Yeah. It’s, it’s again, because I’m on a public
platform and teaching so many people about personal finance, I use my life constantly
as an experiment. And like, “well, if I’m telling people to
do that, I’d better be doing that myself.” Yeah. So, I have just gone through a major cost
reduction where I am working toward getting my personal expenses to total, be 50% of my
net income, so that I can save the other 50% of my net income. That’s what I’m working towards right now. That’s exciting. It is. It’s so liberating too, to have that cashflow,
I gotta tell you. And, tell me more about, like, were there
any – have there been any surprised as you’re kind of investigating all these pockets of
spending? Yeah. I mean, really it comes down to your big overhead. What I just did was I just moved with my two
kids into, from a house into a tiny apartment. And it was really hard for me at first because
we grow up with these ideas of what, like, life is supposed to look like- Sure. … when you’re 40 and you’re a mom and you
have two kids. And it was not living in a tiny apartment
like this. But you know what happened? We all end up in the same room together. My kids aren’t in screens in different rooms. You know, they actually sleep in a bunk bed
now, and they have not complained once. It’s like, they’ve gotten closer. Wow. And, I can clean the whole place in like 15
minutes. That is … that’s one of the best things
ever. A lot of people don’t know this about me,
but I love tiny, like I love small houses. I didn’t know that, yeah. No, I really really do. And I was thinking about this the other day,
because I was having friends come over. And, I don’t know why, but there’s just like
dust bunnies that –I also love cleaning. And I was so excited because I have friends
coming over and I vacuumed my entire apartment, and it was like, “oh that took me 10 minutes. I was like, this is fantastic.” It was awesome, so, congrats to you. Yeah. I don’t have to rake leaves. I don’t have to drag trash cans up and down. You know, so there’s all these interesting,
like, benefits where we thought that that’s not what life is supposed to look like, but
it might actually be better. Yeah. And I love the screen time too. I love that your kids are spending less time
like this. And less time alone, like they used to go
into like different rooms. Yeah. And like we wouldn’t see each other. And I’d be in the kitchen, like on my laptop. Now everyone’s in the same room. That’s awesome. That’s great. Good for you. Yeah. So, for those who are listening who do have
predictable income and they are like, “Okay, get it. I’m on board. You know, I know my net worth.” Maybe perhaps for them, they aren’t in debt
but they still know they could be doing a lot more to boost their financial life. What should they be doing? What should they focus on next? So, I think the first thing that they should
focus on is that savings account that we were talking about, just because so many people,
even high earners who have retirement funds and all of that other stuff, still don’t have
savings. Cash is just the best. The second thing is figuring out what is your
primary root, your primary asset going to be? What’s the one that you’re really gonna understand,
the mechanics of how this investment works? So, for example, many of us buy houses because
we think real estate is an investment, but it turns out real estate is not always an
investment. Sometimes it can become a liability. Yeah. So, as a result of that, if your house is
going to be your primary investment, understand the difference between a 30-year mortgage
and a 15-year mortgage, ’cause if you’ve got a 30-year mortgage, you’re paying so much
interest in that first 10 years that you’re not actually building equity in the house
nearly the way that you think you are. So you’re … That money might actually have
done better in a retirement account. So, figuring the mechanics of those, you can
also have a 401(k) that’s horribly under-optimized and not growing with the market. Yep. So, figure out, is this investment working
the way it’s supposed to be? That’s absolutely vital. Yeah. You know, I wanna comment on that, ’cause
when I was little, one of the things that my parents showed me, specifically my mom,
was the way to kind of beat the banks out of hundreds of thousands of dollars with the
mortgage by paying double principal. And, she would love it. She’d take the highlighter out and it was
one of the things that when I became an adult  like, I’m gonna do that too, ’cause then
I started researching and understanding, like, OMG. If you have a 30-year mortgage, and you just
pay your mortgage payment, you wind up spending three times the amount of what you thought
you purchased your home for. Yeah. And if you sell it before seven years, or
ten years or owning that house, it all depends- Yeah. … chances are that you actually didn’t even
make a return on the house. Even if it appreciated and you sold it for
more … Yep … you actually then make a return. So, it wasn’t actually an investment. I mean it’s, uh, it’s fascinating. I’ll tell you another story. Do you know how banks calculate the minimum
payment on your credit card? How? They most, this is most banks. Most of it is just the interest that you owe,
and then between two and five percent of principal. Wow. So, that minimum is set up to basically just
keep your debt where it is. Oh, that’s like a punch in the gut. Yeah. I think, well this is what’s so exciting about
this conversation though, because my hope is, for anyone listening who either is outraged,
appalled, confused, something, I wanna stir you up so that you’re like, “Wait, there’s
another way to do this?” So you can investigate. I mean, Amanda has an amazing book called
Worth It, which we’ve talked about, we’ll talk more about, which is awesome but right,
there’s so many great resources. It’s like, we have to empower ourselves and
go research and learn, and execute. Okay. So, finally, speaking of your book, you talk
about six money habits that we can start to adopt, to help ourselves really feel good
and get on this plan of growth. There’s two I wanna highlight. Yeah. The first one is, “live as far below your
means as possible.” I know we kind of mentioned this, but I still
think, you know, I’m always looking at my credit cards personally and business wise,
and going like, “Is there a subscription hiding in there that I thought was useful, may have
been useful, is not useful anymore? Where are the places where I’m spending more
money that I don’t have to?” I’m curious, besides downsizing, which I love,
but is there anything else that’s helped you live as far below your means as possible. And why should we do that? Well, you should live as far below your means
as possible because the pressure everywhere is to live as far over your means as you possibly
can. Yes. So, I, I say it that way because I often heard
growing up, “Live below your means.” But to me, living below my means was, you
know, little tight, I always misjudged that one, that like never really worked, ’cause
I never seem to actually get below my means and then I got massive tax bills. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s not precise either. Right. Yeah. And so, that actually doesn’t work. If you start to try and live as far below
your means as possible, you start to question the fundamental things that our society teaches
us you’re supposed to have, which is what, like the type of car you’re supposed to drive,
the type of clothes you’re supposed to wear, and all those things which is what cause money
to be so frustrating all the time, and go, “Is that because I really want that house
or I really want that car? Or is that because I think I’m supposed to
have it?” Because society has brainwashed you. Because yes, because society’s totally brainwashed
you. Yes. Or your family, or you have certain expectations
about what someone in your job is supposed to look like and supposed to do, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. So, um, living below your means as far as
possible. Like, right now I am in the process of going
silver in my hair. Yeah. I’m not sure I’m gonna stay there. I’m not sure how it’s gonna look when it’s
donel, but that’s because I am so sick of paying for and spending all the time dying
my hair when I’m like, “I’m not even really have brown hair. I actually have like white hair now.” Yeah. And at 40, I’m not quite sure how that’s gonna
go over, but I wanna- You’re gonna experiment. … try it. Yes. And that’s why my hair is blue right now,
which I thought was kind of a fun side benefit, not intentional. I think it’s cool though too, because learning
in your book that you were kind of a punk rock kid, I was like, this is kind of taking
you back to a cool rebellious stage. I like it. I know. Well the, the woman who was coloring, who
was bleaching my hair to put gray streaks into it, she was like, “Oh no, I’m so sorry. Your hair is blue.” And I, it was like, actually, that’s kind
of exciting. I’ll keep it, thank you. I think it’s cool, but getting back to this
idea of living as far below your means as possible, it kind of brings in that game and
that experiment element again, where it’s like, “Oh, what if we try this?” You know? It may not be about downsizing right now,
but, “Oh, what if we try to eat this way versus this way? What if we cut out cable? What if we cut out X, Y, or Z and start playing
with the numbers?” ‘Cause let’s face it, you could always go
back up. You could always keep spending again. Always go back up. But, what can we learn by experimenting and
by treating this, like, you know, what can we discover from doing it? I love that. Yeah. I think it’s actually may even be better than
that. I believe that so much of what we do is unconscious
because we’re going – playing through certain emotions and once you start to challenge your
core fundamental beliefs about what’s important, you might discover joy of what actually matters
to you, and being able to separate – what are the things that I am doing because I think
I’m supposed to, and then what are the things that truly, truly matter to me? And when you start to engage in these exercises,
you become far more interested in what matters to you, as opposed to going through the motions
because you think you should. I love it. And then the second habit, which I try and
plan for as much as humanly possible, and I love that you mentioned this, is “expect
curveballs.” What does that mean? So, curveballs are normal. You know, one of the things that I realized
about budgeting for me that was consistently frustrating was, your phone breaks. You get a bill from the dentist, you know,
all those things. Right now I know, like my tires need to be
changed on the car. And those things never go in a budget because
they’re unexpected. So what I, one of the things that I recommend
is that you set up a curveball account which you always put, you know, $100 with each paycheck
into this. This is not your emergency fund. This is a curveball account that you get to
$500 and you expect it to get wiped out every three months. That way you don’t feel like you’re breaking
your budget. Yeah. And, you anticipate the curve balls. These days, I’m like, I think my curveball
account needs to be, like, two grand, you know, as life gets more complicated and, and
kids et cetera. Uh, but that is, you know, curveballs are
normal. Yes. And curve balls are where everyone feels demoralized,
so if we plan for the curveballs and we have a system for the curveballs, then we’re like,
“Oh, there’s the curveball,” and then you’re like, “I got this handled.” We talk about it on our team often as “life
tax.” Like, anytime I’m talking with any of my team
members, and I’m like, “Hey, what’s up?” And it’s like, “Oh, dog got sick. You know, oh, the roof’s leaking.” Like, someone, you know, something’s happening. Like, yep, life tax. Yes. ‘Cause it, they come for all of us, and I
love planning for it so you don’t feel like you’re constantly being knocked off track
with your emergency savings, or your budgeting, or whatever else you’re doing to get yourself
on a stronger financial footing. Anything that you wanna leave us with today,
before we wrap up? This was so fun. Yeah. Just that, you know, everybody has a different
personality when it comes to money. And everyone has different motivations. And, maybe you are motivated by having more
money. Maybe you’re motivated by having a bigger
impact on the world. Maybe you’re motivated by taking care of others. Just remember that no matter what that is,
there’s no right or wrong way to think about money, but the more you take care of yourself,
the more you’re able to take care of others. So, don’t see thinking about money as greedy,
or selfish, or something that someone else is supposed to do. Think of it as what makes a stronger you,
so that you can be a stronger somebody for everyone else. Amanda, thank you so much for coming on today. My pleasure. Great job, love you. Thank you for all the work you do in the world,
and I’m sure you’ll be here again soon. I hope so. Now, Amanda and I would love to hear from
you. So, we covered a lot of ground today, but
I’m curious, what’s the one insight that you’re really taking away, and most important, how
can you put that into action right now to take better hold of your financial life? Leave a comment below, and let us know. Now, as always, the best conversations happen
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at Side effects include enlarged profits. So some of us find savings easier than others,
but for those of you who don’t find savings so easy, here is how you get into the savings
game.   So let’s say you’re at the store and you
got the twenty dollar item and you got the ten dollar item, and you chose the ten dollar
item instead.  You may think in your mind that you’re
like “Oh I just saved ten dollars.” But actually you didn’t save that ten dollars
until you move that from your checking account into your savings account. But don’t stop there.   When you do that movement of that ten dollars
from your checking account to your saving account, you’ve got to do the saving slide. And this is how you do it.  This is the saving slide. Every time you move money into your savings
account. That way you get the dopamine rush that gives
you the excitement and thrill of saving and you’re gonna want to do it more. I love it, alright.  So we just saved some money. And we go … Save and slide. Save and slide. I just saved myself some money. Save and slide. I’m gonna make up a whole song.


  • Meta M

    November 26, 2018

    My problem is cashflow. Good points. Yes, I need bridge job. I have to learn on earning as well as managing. Such a great guest. A great interview! Just what I needed to hear right now.

  • light

    November 27, 2018

    In Islam u r not allowed to do interest , (its equivilant to fighting with Allah(God)) therefore u r saved from being in debt in the first place ☺ Islam has a solution to everything .if u become a Muslim I promise u that u will never regret your decision.

  • Evolve with Gena Marie

    November 28, 2018

    Great points ladies. I needed this today πŸ˜€ my hubby and I started a business going on 3 yrs now and it is progressing yearly but we def are working on making this as lucrative as it can be. πŸ˜€ and this information helps us def finacially and Mentally!!!

  • Vanessa Mueller

    November 30, 2018

    Marie, at first I want to say: THANK YOU; THANK YOU; THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART for speaking about you, your business career, money etc.etc.I loooove to learn from you, bc one day I will be a selfmade-Business-Woman, too. I have several careers..but always unhappy and depressed working under chiefs(woman) who bossed me …colleagues mobbed me for being better than them in so many ways..I got psychically and body-sick in 3 different jobs , then a Burnout and a big big work pause..thinking about all….I focused in my inner world, thinking: what makes my heart happy…talking with different people….I had with 25 years thousands of MINUS on my bank account..but you cn only learn if you make mistakes………so proud of every single Woman who makes her dream come true. Without discipline, self-love, self-worth, patience, gutt-connection, ., humour, , health in general, etc.this all is not possible. But COURAGE is for me the KEYWORD!!!! A big and warm hug from me to you, beautiful soul!!

  • Aamenaa Tanveer

    December 1, 2018

    Thankyou so much. πŸ™‚

  • Leolin B.

    December 1, 2018

    Divorce and then two years later bankruptcy is what led me to get on top of my finances. I told myself I would never depend on a man again for money. This not only led me to become a saver and investor but also allows me to go into relationships not looking for a prince charming because that's not fair for the man either.

  • Monica McCue

    December 2, 2018

    Save & Slide πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ˜ŽπŸ™ŒπŸ»

  • rahat shabbir

    December 3, 2018

    This was so so exciting to watch for me, I can’t wait to try some of the things 😁

  • Lene Thompson

    December 4, 2018

    Loved this video and all the tips/info/stories shared!!! Thank you so much!!!

  • Lola Viscusi

    December 4, 2018

    Really great episode 😍

  • All Things Wavy

    December 4, 2018

    I realized as I watched this that I have ALWAYS (I'm now 57) struggled to invest in ANY future-mine specifically. Why is that? What do I believe about the future/myself that stops me cold when it comes to setting the "future me" up for success and prosperity?

  • Komedi Anne

    December 6, 2018

    I am going to sell my hair every 5 years. πŸ˜‰ I wish I knew about this option in my teens. I "cut" and disposed more than $5000 worth of my human virgin hair.

  • Loty p.g.

    December 10, 2018

    Thanks ladies, I've been under a lot of preasure because of my financial problems and depression took over my life. Today thank God that put you in my way , I am going to apply your advice and try to make some changes in my life by saving money and treating debt as something natural and stop fearing. Hope I can live to tell you back how it goes

  • esoes sos

    December 13, 2018

    Curve ball account! Thanks you two!

  • Master Wealth Network

    December 15, 2018

    Iv always wanted to be wealthy.

  • Tracey Conner

    December 16, 2018

    Love that you are encouraging people to live below their means. So much of keeping up with the Jones.

  • DMarie

    December 17, 2018

    This was so helpful thank you! I love how you bring up all the questions which people don't consider when they're telling you to just quit your 9-5 and chase your dream. It takes time, consistency and back up funds!

  • Becky Anderson

    December 19, 2018

    i set myself free after i invested massively into trading and its going so well for me with the help of Mrs Angela Rene Reynolds a very good and caring woman.

  • Rahulkailas Vibes

    December 23, 2018

    hi marie forleo i watch this episode and i am from Kerala

  • Sade Jones

    December 27, 2018

    Save before I pay off debts! Also the bridge job is a great insight for us entrepreneurs. This insight has changed my perspective on money. Thank you ladies. Now I need to work on my building my assets.

  • Kuljit Grewal

    December 28, 2018

    Love your idea about putting money away for the curve ball. So true

  • Deirdre ANDERSON

    December 29, 2018

    Strenght, I need that want that in finances. Love to hear more from both of you.

  • Suitcase Entrepreneur

    December 30, 2018

    Loved this and so timely as I head into the New Year considering my networth, having recently saved thousands on business expenses and planning out my financial budget for 2019. Thanks ladies

  • Nadia Thaman

    December 30, 2018

    Just did this a few years ago:

    Down sized on home.
    Paid off all debt.
    Make coffee at home.
    Make lunches for work.
    Mix and match new and older clothing.
    Stopped entertaining big crowds.
    Stopped believing in highly branded clothing, bags and shoes.
    Vacation in the US only.
    I could continue with more, but most importantly we are happy and healthy and that matters most in life.

  • Romy Macias

    January 2, 2019

    To plan for curve balls is genius! Thanks Marie.Saving and Sliding in Mexico!

  • Smart Nyambura

    January 2, 2019

    Great tips

  • Janet Velazquez

    January 3, 2019

    interesting the fact that i should save first and make my payments without thought all the money at the debt….what can i do if where i work our retirement no longer exist due to bad management? i am 55 years old what can do if i live check to check..can u give me more specific tips on how i can live below my means???

  • C. Huseyin

    January 17, 2019

    Every single word said in this video is true. Thanks for you time and many blessings πŸ’•. Btw Mrs. Forleo you remind me of my mom when she was your age. You look like her twin. πŸ€—

  • Eva Dickman

    January 19, 2019

    if you have a down payment, you can add a "reamortization clause" into your mortgage and pay it off quicker. the principal and payment goes down, but the term stays the same (does not shrink) as with regular over-payments.

  • Natalie Davis

    January 22, 2019

    What can I tell my child how to spend money when I don't know how you make it

  • daniel green

    January 25, 2019

    Very inspiring video. I realized that when it comes to successful money management, there's a lot of difference between knowing how to make money and learning how to manage your finances.

  • Sibernethy

    January 27, 2019

    What about someone who has zero income and doesn't have any money at all to save, is unemployed, has no job skills, no confidence, and the only thing they have is living with their parents, a computer, and an internet connection? That that's the situation I'm in right now.

  • Sharon A Thompson

    January 29, 2019

    Great episode thank you Amanda I need a great bridge job

  • Olivia Calderon

    February 5, 2019

    Curve ball account, I’m going for it ! Thx girls

  • Rouh Allah AlShelh روح Ψ§Ω„Ω„Ω‡ Ψ’Ω„ Ψ΄Ω„Ψ­

    February 7, 2019

    I learned that my net worth is -3000$ πŸ™

  • phyncke

    February 11, 2019

    This video was amazing. It has changed the way I view my finances. I am getting Steinberg's book too – totally have to read that. I love the concept of the Curve Ball fund – that I can implement right away and I totally agree that curve balls come up all the time. Thanks for this!

  • Marie-Christine Bergeron

    February 13, 2019

    My focus will be 1- savings instead of paying debt rapidly πŸ™‚ and 2 – opening a "curve ball bank account"

  • Christine Buckley

    February 17, 2019

    Thanks Marie, I have been practicing most of these principles for some time and the thing I felt encouraged about was to have more 'fun' with my management of money and treat it like a game. I kinda do that with money boxes (a habit from childhood) but you prompted me to think of some new ways – that's tops!! On another level, I was curious that there was no discussion around "tithing" to a charity for giving back to the community and being generous. This is a Biblical principle that many people not just entrepreneurs practice world wide. I would appreciate your view on this.

  • PB3 Challenge

    February 18, 2019

    This sooooooooo resonated with me! Thank you ladies for this eye-opening conversation <3

  • Mia Grace Espiritu

    February 21, 2019

    Manage your Money in a Way it feels Good"
    I missed your voice Marie!!! I love your energy 😍😍😍😍😍 "Don't do the same mistake I made" -mother advised.
    Personal Finance- I'm earning money but I am not good in managing money.
    "It is really easy to get intimidated with money" – i will hit a reset button. Strategy: Take away your emotions and keep trying. Grow learn and take it fresh.
    How to get a grip on your finances?
    1.Calculating your networth
    – Anything that you have that have value minus all your debt equals your networth
    (asset-liabilities = networth)
    Important= we don't work till we die. Let dollars work for you when you get old.

    When your negative networth? first need to save money first!!!!!!
    get away with debt πŸ™‚πŸ™‚πŸ™‚πŸ™‚πŸ™‚πŸ™‚ thousand dollar a month as an emergency fund πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—

    If you just started the business or not having steady income.
    -need consistency with your income (GET A BRIDGE JOB)
    getting a peace of mind

    Reducing your COST- 50% of my network income can be expense

    Figure the mechanics of investment- Example is the mortage- returns of the amount.

    Research, Learn and Investigate πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

    Anything else you can live below your means?
    habit 1
    "Once you start to challenge your core fundamental beliefs about what is important, you might discover the joy of what actually matters to you"

    Habit 2
    Curve account-expect to be break every 3 months. Plan or have system for curve balls. Life sucks! Plan plan possible broken at home or car

    Regardless of your motivation, what makes stronger you and you can be stronger for someone else!!!!

    Q- save then pay debts. Thank you for shifting my mindset to a growth mimdset

    Bonus: Go the a savings slide dance once you move money to your saving account ( it should be fun!!!!!)


    February 23, 2019

    Start saving and not wait till all my debts are paid…I've never heard that one before and I am taking and running with it!!!!

  • Feral Cat Lady

    February 26, 2019

    Thanks for the emergency fund tip. I've heard the Dave Ramsey babystep plan that suggests 1k in emergency savings. That amount hasn't cut it for me.

  • Laura Almirez

    February 27, 2019

    Yess so mich fear to talk about money. Thank you so much for this

  • Laura Almirez

    February 27, 2019

    Living below ur means and curve ball acct

  • yshk viswanatham

    February 28, 2019

    Much more money comes nothing better at first money is$x dallors then 30% income tax pay then after remain myself planit send to you in previously. In percentages calculated no worry to plan my self I am comptencay for doing this .yshk viswanatham MscBed.

  • yshk viswanatham

    February 28, 2019

    Without give to me you are more playing with me when I am studying Msc maths business maths one paper so much informations I was gained. Now business road maps presented ,Real estate .planned success morning energy how to gain in regularly .in human life research and put before you .this is prepared bye only no previous books no authors entire subject 40 years think it how it introduced in USA I think it in early stage . This is practically proved everything in positively . I have think it do it perfectly do it every things in positively .in meditation what I suggested you learn at your choice at any where you can do it easily no fee ,no music ,no get-together your choice morning you do before 6 AM. Lunch before 1 p.m meditation.evening in 6 p.m do meditation in every time 10 minutes enough. You need not go to transdental meditation . No need up graded meditation.what we learn that much enough for better life lead in the public..yshk viswanatham MscBed.

  • yshk viswanatham

    February 28, 2019

    Without giving you ask so many things when you give me then you think it.

  • Cynthia Callow Cindy's Captivating Blings

    March 4, 2019

    That I should concentrate on saving and not paying down debt and stop making money emotional.

  • Mel Sparkles

    March 23, 2019

    I love that you encourage ppl to get the 50% job…so important to be ok with this. I have had them between my good stints and not enjoyed them but when you said you are better off with it than not I got it. Thanks:-)

  • lttoverlord

    March 29, 2019

    So I started with the first step which was to determine my net worth. The number that I have is scary. It seems a bit overwhelming looking at it, but i am owning up to it and am now ready for the next step.

  • KimmyDTV

    April 3, 2019

    great video! thank you!!

  • SandyK

    April 5, 2019

    Maria that Adam's apple is large just like those wide shoulders and jawline oh and the skull. I always new there was something not quite right about you. MtF lying to the masses. HE IS NOT GONNA HELP YOU DO SHIT BUT TALK YOU OUT OF YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY.

  • Higher Learning and Healing

    April 6, 2019

    This is the first lady that has actually made sense to me. I have been listening to financial advisors for years and she's the only one that I can relate too. I will definitely be doing the steps she recommended as well as purchasing the book. Thank you so much for the interview. This was life changing!

  • Poochie Au Pair

    April 11, 2019

    Loved this one!!~ This has to be one of THE most sincerely helpful episodes I've seen πŸ™‚ *Definitely going to Share this with others πŸ™‚ Namaste and ~Thank you both~

  • Jared Jacobson Law

    May 4, 2019

    Great Amanda! πŸ‘ nice work and thanks for the advice πŸ™ heard u spent some time with Swarbrick, hope you two had a blast! Keep it up πŸ‘

  • gamegirl

    August 15, 2019

    I used to have a habit of over buying clothes. I can barely afford food and gas so I no longer am able to buy clothes all the time like I used to and now I no longer feel the need to buy clothes even for my daughter which is so empowering.

  • Domonique Lewis

    August 21, 2019

    This was en pointe. Calculate Net Worth😱
    1. Eye opener to "increase savings" to avoid more exposure to debt.
    2. Reduce spending
    3. Live below means (in line with my "minimum" lifestyle I am working on for 2019)
    4. Save for Curve balls
    Best of all I AM A SAVER and ordering the book.
    Thank you for the "bridge job" idea. This is a game changerπŸ˜‰

  • Nancy Arden-Rice

    October 4, 2019

    Curve ball account!!

  • Eth Main

    December 5, 2019

    Shit – all of you are women, am I the only man who listen to her?

  • Andre Nel

    December 17, 2019

    Really great!


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